Posts by Old Navy

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Marrying outside the lord

by label licker in

i should know the answer to this but my memory is failing big time.

our friend just called who is still in the cult.

he's been away from it for about five months now.

Old Navy

What a tragic story!

Tragedy one: getting involved with a heartless, controlling "religion."

Tragedy two: taken advantage of by a heartless operator and accomplices.

Tragedy three: judicial consequences of the Kangaroo Court of the aforementioned "religion."

This is lose, lose, lose all the way around.

Precisely when this very unfortunate "victim" needs support he's in line to get the "shaft."

Weird how to a "believing JW" that Hate = Love in their "Truth" of make believe fantasy.

What a tragic story!

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Folly of claiming “only we have the truth”

by venus in

one’s mindset and its conditioning pursue what one believes to be the “truth” which it says ‘i can perceive with my senses.

this makes possible for the life to be perceived in many different ways.

imagine all were born blind.

Old Navy

Quote from Ever Apostate:

"Only we have the truth" is as Arrogant and ignorant as "I am the only righteous person"

Aye, arrogant and ignorant it is! But, with a purpose of deception. When the lie is continually repeated by those who have authority and perpetuated by those who believe, then the Lie Itself become Truth in their behavior modified thinking. And so the Lie goes on with a membership which has been conditioned by means of intense fear to reject all that doesn't agree with their indoctrination, or else! When they've been made afraid to examine Real Truth the Lie that has been drilled into their heads has no opposition.

We here know the WTBorg Cult Inc. version of their "truth" (or better, "troof") and how difficult it was to de-program from that deception. Fear is a very powerful "motivator to avoid the punishment of straying from the pack." Especially when it is taught by The Cult that those who aren't JWs will be forever destroyed by God Himself in the near future.

For a contrasting view of what is to come:

https://gods-kingdom-ministries.net/daily-weblogs/2017/09-2017/first-corinthians-15-the-order-of-resurrection-part-2/

Which makes more sense? Which analysis is more representative of the Love of our Creator?

How is it possible that the WTBorg Cult Inc. has got it so very wrong?

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Be loyal when a relative is disfellowshipped

by UnshackleTheChains in

well.....they showed that shunning video again.

you know...the one where goldilocks gets disfellowshipped- and the parents look across the hall at her with disdain.....yeah that video.. i was interested to see what kind of answers would be given during the discussion after the video and some of the reactions.

everyone sat there gormlessly staring at the video.

Old Navy

Quote from NikL:

In the "Gods Love" book (Gag)
It says... and I quote, "Loyal Christian family members do not look for excuses to have dealings with a disfellowshipped relative not living at home. Rather, loyalty to Jehovah and his organization moves them to uphold the Scriptural arrangement of disfellowshipping."
Possibly the most cultist statement they make.

Well said.

The "Hook" that deepens the "spell/trance"

loyalty to Jehovah and his organization

Followed by the outright lie:

Scriptural arrangement of disfellowshipping

Once those false statements are driven deeply into the fearful minds of the "faithful" the spell/trance becomes hypnotic. The fear felt can be so intense as to be traumatic which has the ability to literally "split the mind" into new "compartments" known as "alters."

That is the secret of truly effective Mind Control which is able to produce a zombie like group who are unquestioningly obedient to every demand of the GB master.

G.O.D. is the typical "cue" or "trigger" used to access the "alters" for additional controls.

Yes, they are well acquainted with the techniques of mind control and know precisely what they are doing. The GB are servants of Satan.

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Robert Jay Lifton Interview

by Lee Elder in

jw
friends

while this interview and book are concerned with donald trump.

you will be able to see many similarities with watchtower officials.

https://www.alternet.org/books/bill-moyers-renowned-psychiatrist-warns-trump-danger-us-all.

Old Navy

The Donald has his flaws to be sure. but Dr. Lifton is working an AGENDA. The United States of America isn't a "democracy" and it hasn't been for a long, long time. We The People of America are enslaved to a Plutocratic Oligarchy driven by the Love of Money. Our "politicians" are mostly crooks who fall within the "mental category" which Dr. Lifton knows much about. The Matrix, American Style, is about as twisted as any society could be. It is a Cult equally as much as the WTBorg Cult Inc. is...

Trump "follows orders" just like each of his predecessors. He is an "actor."

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Special Talks now via video

by AverageJoe1 in

tired of listening to your local elders giving the "special" talk ever year after the memorial?

well don't worry, as of next year we will be spicing things up for your enjoyment.. not only will we be having the talk before the memorial (i know, wild huh), but we will be treating you to the talk via video starring our famous speakers from bethel so you can see how a talk should be given (after all bethel does boast the best speakers in any country, right?!).

here's a copy of the text from our latest letter as i'm sure that with so much excitement you won't believe it at first!.

Old Navy

Whenever an organization makes several small changes in procedure which the "faithful" perceive as a "break from tradition" it generally means they're "softening up" the faithful for a Really Big Change in the not too distant future. Probably a major change in doctrine in the coming months.

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Be loyal when a relative is disfellowshipped

by UnshackleTheChains in

well.....they showed that shunning video again.

you know...the one where goldilocks gets disfellowshipped- and the parents look across the hall at her with disdain.....yeah that video.. i was interested to see what kind of answers would be given during the discussion after the video and some of the reactions.

everyone sat there gormlessly staring at the video.

Old Navy

Quote from Help Me Out:

Trying to associate this God-dishonouring practice with loyalty to God is evil. I cannot for one minute think that our Creator would be pleased with a father or mother who ignored the phone call of a child.

Correct! Our Creator is not pleased with this evil behavior which is from The Adversary. A Cult which practices the Works of Satan is indeed the Spawn of Satan.

Why can't those who are 'under the spell' see it? Because they're 'under the spell.' The Deceptions of Satan are powerful and blinding. The "believers" have been mind-screwed to fear all that does not align with their rigid indoctrination. The fear that they feel is stressfully intense. They will not be able to recognize their enslavement until they are able to want to. It is a state of mind called the Stockholm Syndrome. It is irrational.

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Those who DO NOT get a resurrection?

by stuckinarut2 in

so we know that by jw logic, the idea is that everyone who dies is acquitted of their sin and will get a resurrection in the "new world".

however, those directly destroyed by god, or at his command will not.

(for example, those destroyed in the flood.

Old Navy

The resurrection to come is in Truth a necessity.

It is necessary that ALL be resurrected. Not a single soul will be overlooked or forgotten.

It is in The Law.

https://gods-kingdom-ministries.net/daily-weblogs/2017/09-2017/first-corinthians-15-adam-and-christ/

Our existence and the lessons we learn are often very painful.

It is difficult to imagine at times that all that we observe and experience is for our benefit.

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What's the deal with the anointed class, why aren't they JW rulers?

by TTWSYF in

so i never got in with the jws far enough to know the detailed teachings regarding the 144k going to heaven.

they are rulers with jesus in heaven?.

shouldn't they be in charge of the wts?

Old Navy

If the WTBorg Inc. Cult was truly anointed those in leadership roles would have the Mind of Christ; they'd have a solid comprehension of Bible Truth; they'd prophesy without falsehood and their lives would reflect the highest qualities of goodness and love.

Obviously that is not the case. Those men who proclaim themselves to be something they are not are therefore liars. They are doing the works of The Adversary. They are leading their followers away from what is Good under the guise of being the "chosen channel of the voice of God." Gotta give Satan very high marks for his creativity and cleverness.

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What really should be the role of Women in the congregations?

by Old Navy in

the presumably "biblical" practice of limiting the way women participate in congregational matters of the wtborg cult inc. (as well as certain other sects of christendom) may be a gross mis-interpretation of what paul meant.

i'm inclined to agree completely with this account of what paul really meant.. thoughts anyone?

aren't women more deserving of greater participation and respect?.

Old Navy

Deegee,

That is a very comprehensive page. Very interesting.

Another -ism that might be added to the list:

militarism: unequal treatment because of rank or status

There are no doubt others which might be included.

Discrimination is not necessarily a bad thing is it?

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J.W. dogma refuted by their own RNWT Bible

by The Fall Guy in

perhaps potential j.w.

recruits can use this example on their study conductors - and then witness the cognitive dissonance at first hand.. w98 2/1 p. 11 par.

13 – “when jehovah made his covenant, it was only with israel; those of the “vast mixed company,” although present, were not named as participants.”.

Old Navy

Scriptural quote provided by The Fall Guy:

14 “Now it is not with you alone that I am making this covenant and this oath, 15 but it is with those standing here with us today before Jehovah our God and with those who are not here with us today."

Looks to me like this ultimately covers the "whole shebang."

This portion of the Scriptural Quote:

"...and with those who are not here with us today."

would include the whole rest of the creation; past, present and future. Looks like everybody is a part of it whether they realize it or not.